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Dugout Discussion November 20

Liverpool v Arsenal team news: Tsimikas starts as Robertson misses out

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Seven down, one to go: the final Premier League match of the day sees Liverpool play host to Arsenal at a rain-soaked Anfield.

Kick-off on Merseyside is at 17:30 GMT.

The Reds scored three goals home and away against Arsenal last season and have found the net on 28 occasions in their last eight home league meetings with the Gunners.

Mohamed Salah personally has six goals and four assists in eight fixtures against Arsenal since joining Liverpool in 2017, averaging 8.13 points per match.

The Egyptian is part of an unchanged front three this evening, taking his place alongside Diogo Jota and Sadio Mane.

Jurgen Klopp has been forced into two alterations elsewhere, however, with captain Jordan Henderson only fit enough to make the bench and Andrew Robertson absent entirely.

Thiago Alcantara and Konstantinos Tsimikas come in to replace them.

Mikel Arteta’s only change from the 1-0 win over Watford in Gameweek 11 is a predictable one: Thomas Partey returns from a muscle injury at the expense of Ainsley Maitland-Niles.

Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang is also fit enough to feature despite some cryptic comments from his manager in Friday’s pre-match press conference.

GAMEWEEK 12 LINE-UPS

Liverpool XI: Alisson, Alexander-Arnold, Matip, Van Dijk, Tsimikas, Thiago, Fabinho, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Salah, Jota, Mane.

Subs: Kelleher, Konate, Beck, Bradley, Phillips, Morton, Henderson, Minamino, Gordon.

Arsenal XI: Ramsdale, Tomiyasu, White, Gabriel, Tavares, Saka, Sambi Lokonga, Partey, Smith Rowe, Lacazette, Aubameyang.

Subs: Leno, Tierney, Cedric Soares, Holding, Elneny, Maitland-Niles, Pepe, Odegaard, Martinelli.

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  1. Gandalf
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Time to wildcard the team below?

    Or just a simple Ronaldo + Gray > Kane + Gallagher for free?

    Sanchez*
    TAA Cancelo James Liv*
    Salah Foden Raphinha*
    Ronaldo* Antonio* Toney*

    4.0 Gray Marcal Brownhill

    Potential wildcard team something like:

    Ramsgate
    TAA Cancelo James Chilwell
    Salah Foden Jota Gallagher
    Kane Benteke

    4.0 Dennis Johnson Brownhill

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    1. Gunners in Haaland
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Just wait mate. Nice team

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    2. cigan
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Nothing wrong with that team at all. Would just do Gray to Gallagher if you can afford

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  2. Gabbiadini
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Ramsdale
    TAA | Cancelo | R James | Livramento
    Salah | Raphinha | Mbeumo
    Ronaldo | Vardy | Jiménez

    Steele | Duffy | Brownhill | Allan

    0.8 ITB. 2FTs.
    62 points.

    Duffy looks set to drop (I'll lose 0.1) however, with the GW not completed and no concrete thoughts it's probably best to hold for now.
    Thoughts?

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    1. Sun Jihai
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Duffy probably won’t drop anyway

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      1. Gabbiadini
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        You don't think?

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        1. Gabbiadini
          • 7 Years
          2 years, 11 months ago

          Hopefully you are correct 😉

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        2. Sun Jihai
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          2 years, 11 months ago

          No, he’s on -76% on FFFix. Usually when both FFF and FPLstats match that’s the best indicator of a drop. Drop predictions usually are more off than rise predictions.

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          1. Gabbiadini
            • 7 Years
            2 years, 11 months ago

            Great, thanks for this comment. Appreciate it.

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            1. Sun Jihai
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              2 years, 11 months ago

              Sorry if he does actually drop in advance lol
              Drops are a bit more random in FPL than rises

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              1. Gabbiadini
                • 7 Years
                2 years, 11 months ago

                No, that's fine. Your comment is not what is deciding whether I trade or hold.
                As I said, I'm not even sure where I'd trade to at this current point. Want to assess at the end of the GW.

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                1. Sun Jihai
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 12 Years
                  2 years, 11 months ago

                  Yeah I have the same back 5 actually. Want to watch Reguilon and Emerson tomorrow.

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  3. The Frenchie
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Would you sell Foden or Vardy to get TAA?

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    1. Zimo
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Vardy

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    2. Gunners in Haaland
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Vardy

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    3. Herger
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Hard to sell Vardy with his fixtures now. I think no, ideally you’d find another way though

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      1. The Frenchie
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        That’s the point, I bought Vardy on GW9 so 4 blank in a row but he will score next GW if I sale it.. 🙂

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        1. The Frenchie
          • 8 Years
          2 years, 11 months ago

          *sell it

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    4. Gabbiadini
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      too early to tell with Foden, Vardy also has favourable fixtures.
      I'd wait another day or so, at least until after City's game.

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      1. The Frenchie
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        Yes maybe you’re right but TAA price gona rise tonight..

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        1. Gabbiadini
          • 7 Years
          2 years, 11 months ago

          Unless it prices you are, I think this is one of them that unfortunately, you may need to pay 0.1 more.

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    5. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
      • 15 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      You must have other options?

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      1. The Frenchie
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        Difficult.. Current team (1.4 in the bank):

        McCarthy
        Cancelo / James / Chilwell
        Salah / Foden / Raphinha / Cornet
        Kane / Vardy / Hwang

        Gunn / Duffy / Williams / Bissouma

        So the plan was:

        A) TAA & Benteke / Williams & Vardy
        B) TAA & Gallagher / Duffy & Foden

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        1. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
          • 15 Years
          2 years, 11 months ago

          B looks OK
          But I would be tempted to get a cheap 4.4/4.5 mid in for Raphinha and change Duffy to TAA
          Good left field 4.5 mid could be Ramsey - Villa. Wright talked up his potential on MOTD

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    6. Dammit_182
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Would sell a few of my children to get him in right now….

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  4. Kun Tozser
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Lose gray or Mbeumo first?

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    1. Gabbiadini
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Gray

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    2. XX SMICER XX
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Gray

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  5. Dr. Rog
    • 15 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    A) Toney+Raph > Dennis+Jota for a hit
    B) save a FT, and do it next week

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  6. UnitednationsXI
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Chances of jota rising in price tonight? Have exact funds to bring him but waiting a day means we get more info on raphinha illness etc.

    Really confused

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    1. Sun Jihai
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Very unlikely.

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      1. UnitednationsXI
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        98% on fplstatistics.

        Why do you say unlikely

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        1. Sun Jihai
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          2 years, 11 months ago

          Only +84% on FFFix. Flagged, which slows down transfers in.

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    2. Dr. Rog
      • 15 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      its about 50:50, but he is flagged i thought that slowed things down a bit.

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  7. JabbaWookiee
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Biggest current dilemma is whether to stick or twist with Schmeichel.

    Leicester’s defence is woeful but they’ve got this decent run coming. Hate making goalie transfers but sick of basically knowing I won’t get a clean sheet from my keeper every week.

    Keep him for the time being or get rid for a Ramsdale or a Guaita?

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    1. Nate(U)dog(ie)
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Get rid, Leicester are woeful in defence and have been all season

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      1. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
        • 15 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        Schmeichel started great for me gw1 9 points on the BB!

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    2. Dammit_182
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      I think you get a ‘4.5e’ one. Even if he miraculously gets some clean sheets at least you have some money

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  8. Trilly
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Transfer to burn.

    Is Rudiger to James worth it, already own Chilwell

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    1. XX SMICER XX
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      I think it is

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    2. Sun Jihai
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Probably. Though I think there’s a risk both wingbacks get rested for the Watford game in GW12.

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      1. Trilly
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        Yeah I’ve just seen the fixture calendar is about to get crazy but I’ve never burned a transfer in fpl and I’m not about to start now

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      2. The Pesci challenge
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        This is what I’m thinking. Can’t understand why people are taking hits to get rid of rudiger for James/ chilwell who I think is the most nailed you can get. Madness

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        1. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
          • 15 Years
          2 years, 11 months ago

          Rudiger is not trendy enough for many users of this site. Even though he plays for Chelsea and is the Rock. For many on this site he might as well be Ben Mee.

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        2. Sun Jihai
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          2 years, 11 months ago

          Yeah, the early transfers always surprise me. I’d imagine they need to be full strength for Juventus midweek (i.e. don’t risk Alonso) and then presumably same again for Man Utd next weekend. Watford the following midweek must be the opportunity to rest/rotate given West Ham away is a tough fixture just a few days later.

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    3. House Frey Wedding Planner
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Chelsea have 5 games in 15 days or something like that. There will be rotation and Rudiger probably is the most nailed. One full back and Rudiger is enough

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  9. Taegugk Warrior
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    To sacrifice to bring in TAA :
    A. Cancelo
    B. James
    C. Chilwell
    D. Son
    E. Kane

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    1. The FPL Units
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      D

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    2. XX SMICER XX
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      D or E
      If Spurs perform well tomorrow then it maybe tough to lose either with the upcoming fixtures

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    3. Dammit_182
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Sacrifice 666 virgins if you have to mate. And Chilwell

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  10. XX SMICER XX
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    I’ve just taken a -4 to bring in Chilwell & James for Dias & Rudiger.

    I would have been priced out if I left it any longer and they feel too essential not to have them

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    1. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
      • 15 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      I am not sure ANY player in fpl is ‘essential’ the best value combination is the trick. I was laughing today at Bruno Fernandes. FPL’s forgotten man. In gw2 I remember been told on here. ‘Bruno is essential it is not too late to save your season!’

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      1. Sun Jihai
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        Crazy looking back and now seeing that £5m Watford striker Dennis is on the same season points total as Bruno!

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        1. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
          • 15 Years
          2 years, 11 months ago

          Haha that is a very good way of putting it.

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      2. Dammit_182
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        I did Mane instead of Bruno then swopped for Son week 3 after feeling ‘that pressure’. Would have been far further up the rankings if I had stuck with it.

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        1. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
          • 15 Years
          2 years, 11 months ago

          It is hard to avoid it sometimes if you read too much online stuff. The way I do it now I keep half an eye on what the celebrity/expert fpl people who play the game. They normally copy each other then it tells me which way they are all going. The price rises and falls are also a good indicator. I keep an eye on the herd and it tells me which way they are going. The comments on this site are another early bandwagon indicator - the 'I have to get xyz'. How do I get xyz?' There are always other options. Westwood and Wood are examples I always use they are rarely brought in but they chip away consistently. Sort of fpl blind spots.

          Then I simply decide are they good moves or is there an obvious one that they are not getting that I should get. Or is the one they are selling worth keeping a while longer?

          It does not work everytime. Worked when I jumped on Reece James early when heads were turned by Chilwell. Worked when I kept Raphinha despite sales.
          But it did not work when I only planned for TAA gw13 and it did not work when I got Vardy for a second time so far- he has done nothing since Lukaku's injury. I am keeping through these nice fixtures despite the price drop.

          I captained James the week Salah got that massive score v Man United. It actually ended up costing me points! I was raging - it was 'nearly' a great move.

          At least I am playing the game my own way and it is much more fun than blindly following what the self proclaimed 'experts' do.

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          1. Dammit_182
            • 3 Years
            2 years, 11 months ago

            I like the ‘blind spot’ analogy. Right now I think Bernardo silver is one right now, Bowen & cornet were a few weeks back. I think captaining a wing back is a great call - most would have beaten salah this week.

            Cheers for the tips

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            1. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
              • 15 Years
              2 years, 11 months ago

              Bernardo Silva is a good call. One of those ignored players bubbling under.

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  11. HD7
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Around GW14:

    A)
    Ramsdale
    Trent Chilwell James Mitchell/Dier/Tomiyasu*
    Salah Raph Cornet ESR*
    Kane Ronaldo*

    B)
    Ramsdale
    Trent Chilwell James Cancelo*
    Salah Raph Cornet Foden/Zaha*
    Kane Antonio*

    Bench
    Steele Livra Sissoko Scarlett

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  12. AD2110
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Is Jota injured or good to go?

    Sorry, been out the loop

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    1. THAT'S LIFE
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Clash of knees sounds ok for next week if not midweek

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    2. Skonto Rigga
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Klopp: "Diogo went off and he got a proper knock on his knee – they went knee to knee, I think. Now we have to see how quickly that develops in the right direction and hopefully, it is nothing serious, that would be very important."

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      1. Skonto Rigga
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        Went into a 50/50 with Ramsdale and they both got clobbered. Played on for a while and didn't look too badly affected but (I think) went straight down the tunnel after being subbed.

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        1. Baron Penguin
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 4 Years
          2 years, 11 months ago

          Busy week and missed the cup entries! Any chance of sneaking in? Cheers.

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          1. Baron Penguin
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 4 Years
            2 years, 11 months ago

            Have e-mailed support, Seemed a better idea than bothering you on an old chat thread!

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    3. Sun Jihai
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Have a midweek game so plenty of time to find out.

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  13. Nate(U)dog(ie)
    • 4 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Sanchez (Steele)
    TAA Cancelo Rudiger (Livramento Llorente)
    Salah Cornet Trossard Foden (Allan)
    Kane Antonio Toney

    0.9itb

    Little stuck on what I should be looking at for next week. Was thinking Toney out would be the priority, possibly still is. But think I need to just get Chilwell or James in at this stage. I punted on both before either even had any sort of proper run in the team earlier in the season and it was a complete disaster so I said I'd stay away but I can't really do that any more. Do I simply do Rudiger to one of them? Would probably prefer to do Llorente to one but can't afford it, not really convinced by a double up either as they have been conceding chances. Is -4 for Rudiger to one and Toney to ASM too much?

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    1. XX SMICER XX
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Rudiger to Chilwell / James
      Toney to ASM can wait until next week

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    2. FPL Theorist
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      You need to decide if you're a die-hard 3-4-3 man or open to switching to 4-4-2 and getting a Chelsea WB alongside Rudiger. You're not that far off it budget-wise. If open to 4-4-2, then downgrade Toney to get the funds to upgrade Llorente.

      If not, then postpone Toney out. Everton home is a decent fixture.

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      1. Nate(U)dog(ie)
        • 4 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        Definitely not against 442, it's just about having a playing bench forward and there aren't many that feel worth going for (Hwang is fine for me but has a very bad run of games coming up, other than that there aren't really options under 6.5 that I feel will play every week). Hmm, I'll have to think about this

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  14. NABIL - FPL otai
    • 12 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Which one look like the best move? 2 FTs

    A. Laporte to James (already got Chilwell)
    B. Laporte to 5.3 & Brownhill to Jota
    C. Livra to James (5atb)

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    1. cigan
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      A

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    2. The Pesci challenge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      B with reguilon

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    3. XX SMICER XX
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      A

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    4. FPL Theorist
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Is there a reason you need to increase your number of starting options with a move like B?

      Can't really tell without seeing your team structure.

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  15. Taegugk Warrior
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    To bring in : Smith rowe or gallagher..?

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    1. cigan
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Gallagher

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    2. XX SMICER XX
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Gallagher

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    3. House Frey Wedding Planner
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Gallagher

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    4. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
      • 15 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      ESR / cheaper

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  16. cigan
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Lots of problems, which should I address first with 2 FT & wc intact?
    Would you WC this lot soon?

    Vardy - great fixtures but Leicester looking out of sorts and he's expensive
    Antonio - bad fixtures but feel like he's been unlucky with the scores; not many strikers in form right now anyway
    Mbeumo - waste of a transfer, extremely stupid of me to pick him over Gallagher 2 or 3 rounds ago; needs to go asap
    Sanchez - much better options out there but would only replace him on wildcard I guess
    Foden - injury & rotation doubt
    Jota - injury doubt
    Raphinha - injury doubt?
    Semedo - next 2 fixtures looking really good with Wolves quietly doing well but I just don't trust him

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    1. The Pesci challenge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      I’d wait for the mid week games to happen first then decide but initially I would look at mbeumo plus another

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      1. cigan
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        Yeah I feel like fixing the Mbeumo > Gallagher situation is the priority, although I'd love to get Cancelo or James/Chilwell in (Trent & Rudiger my only premium defs right now)

        Not that keen on losing Rudiger (unless on wc) as he has been doing well and is as nailed as you can get from a Chelsea defender. Might just do the Mbeumo move, bench Antonio/White and wait until next week

        Def. holding until Friday tho

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    2. FPL Theorist
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      If it were my team, I would save the WC for GW20. Players are leaving for AFCON and there are 12 teams that play Sunday-Tuesday GW19-20.

      But it's not my team, it's your team, so if you have a different plan, then I'm sure you know your team and yourself better.

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      1. cigan
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        Thanks, not familiar with the AFCON situation at all - I usually avoid playing WC early too (and tend to wait for doubles & blanks), so I might as well do that again

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  17. I Member
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Play one:

    A) Antonio (mci)
    B) White (NEW)

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    1. cigan
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      B

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    2. Sun Jihai
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      A
      Don’t think Arsenal keep a CS

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    3. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
      • 15 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      B easy might even get an assist

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  18. Stranger Mings
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    over the next 2 gameweeks (no hits) - Antonio, Omo & hwang to benteke, reguilion & Armstrong?

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    1. Dr. Rog
      • 15 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      3 players I wouldnt be bringing in myself
      in about 3-4 GWs you'll want Antonio back as well and have to pay extra for the privalege

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      1. Stranger Mings
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        Ok thanks but fed up with Antonio so looking at swapping for benteke

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    2. lifes a pitch
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Need to see the rest of your team

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      1. Stranger Mings
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        Mendy-foster
        TAA, cancello, chilly, livra &Omo
        Salah,raphinha, ESr, jota &foden
        Antonio, Jesus, hwang
        2 FTs (0itb)

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  19. sirmorbach
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Any early thoughts here, friends?

    Ramsdale, Foster
    TAA, Cancelo, Chilwell, Dias, Livramento
    Salah, Foden, Raphinha, Mbeumo, Luiz
    Antonio, Wilson, Toney

    2 free transfers, £3.2 in the bank

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    1. lifes a pitch
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Wait to see what Foden does....personally im ready to let Mbeumo go, some decent options out there atm.

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  20. lifes a pitch
    • 11 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Benrahma or Mbeumo... to.... ESR or Gallagher ?
    Or both for -4 ?

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    1. The FPL Units
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Ben to Gallagher

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  21. Gandalf
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Sanchez
    TAA Cancelo James
    Salah Foden Raphinha Gray
    Ronaldo Antonio Toney

    4.0 Marcal Liv Brownhill

    Which sounds best for free?

    A. Marcal + Antonio > Chilwell + Benteke

    B. Ronaldo + Gray > Kane + ESR/Gallagher

    C. Gray + Antonio > Jota + Benteke

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    1. The FPL Units
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      B with Gallagher

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      1. Gandalf
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        Heard talk that Mili affects Gallagher's output. Is there any truth behind that?

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        1. The FPL Units
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          2 years, 11 months ago

          What I have read and heard is Mili takes some set pieces off Gallagher. He is the type of player you have to field every week as he can haul against anyone.

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  22. Rupert The Horse
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    NEW ARTICLE POSTED

    https://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2021/11/20/fpl-gameweek-12-round-up-saturday-review-injury-news-and-the-things-we-learned/

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