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Everything you ever wanted to know about the FPL Bonus Point System – part three

Fantasy Football Scout regular TopMarx continues his multi-part series on one of the most hotly discussed facets of Fantasy Premier League: its Bonus Points System (BPS).

We have already heard about the history of BPS and how Opta ‘sees’ games in parts one and two of this discussion.

And don’t forget that you can see all manner of bonus point information in our Player Stats and Matches tabs in the Premium Members Area, an example of which is shown below.


Opta Sports is the brainchild of one woman.

Back in the summer of 1996 a group of management consultants employed marketing executive Suzie Russell to raise the profile of their new enterprise, Opta Consulting. 

A fanatical Southampton fan, Russell came up with the idea of a player performance index for football.

She took inspiration from her employer’s previous company, Coopers & Lybrand Deloitte (later PricewaterhouseCoopers), who had created the first cricket ratings and generated a phenomenal amount of publicity for the accountancy firm.

The Opta Index was up and running in just five weeks. In that time, Russell had persuaded the Premier League and Sky Sports to back the idea, and hired former England coach Don Howe to develop the system.

Many of the stats from those early days are still the same today. 

Perhaps more remarkable is the similarity to the method used by the father of football analytics, Charles Reep, who annotated his first match in 1950:

The continuous action of a game is broken down into a series of discrete on-the-ball events (such as a pass, a centre or a shot) and a detailed categorization made for each type of event.

– Charles Reep, Skill and Chance in Association Football 

An accountant with a passion for football, Reep was the first person to create a comprehensive notational system for the beautiful game. During his lifetime he would document nearly 2,500 matches by hand. The reason, in his words, was to:

…provide a counter to reliance upon memory, tradition and personal impressions that led to speculation and soccer ideologies.

– Charles Reep 

Don’t be fooled; Reep may have used the word ‘soccer’ but not because he was American.

‘Soccer’ was common in the United Kingdom until the 1970s and featured in news reports of the time. It was originally a slang term for assoc., itself an abbreviation of association, in the same way that ‘rugger’ was used for rugby.

Even the word ‘football’ didn’t necessarily mean, as we might think, a ‘foot kicking a ball’. Instead, it may have referred to a ball game played on foot as opposed to on horseback. It also showed that “football belonged to the commoners; only the nobility could afford to use horses for games!”

The original minute that records the formation of the Football Association

It’s somewhat ironic, then, that the rules for association football were developed by the middle and upper classes.

During the mid-nineteenth century there were several codes in use: Sheffield, Cambridge, and the public schools such as Eton, Rugby and Harrow all had their own versions of the game.

The Football Association was formed with the aim of establishing a single unifying code. Although early drafts of its rules had more in common with modern-day rugby: throw-ins taken at right-angles, as a lineout is today; a goal scored when the ball “passes over the space between the goal posts (at whatever height)”; and a player deemed offside if he is in front of the ball.

The most disputed elements, however, allowed running with the ball in hands and ‘hacking’: kicking an adversary on the front of the leg below the knee. Although, mercifully, holding and hacking at the same time wasn’t permitted.

These two divisive laws were rather controversially removed from the final set drawn up in 1863, leading to several clubs withdrawing from the FA. As Bill Murray recounts

The Blackheath club wanted to retain hacking, claiming that its abolition threatened the very “manliness” of football, and sneered that such sissy reforms would reduce the game to something more suited to the French.

– Bill Murray, “The World’s Game, A History of Soccer”

A Modern Challenge

On the 150th anniversary of the Football Association Opta became part of the Perform Group, who also used to run the sports streaming service DAZN.

The two entities remained under the same roof until they were split in 2019 with owner Sir Len Blavatnik harbouring desires to turn DAZN into a ‘Netflix of sport’.

In order to raise funds for this ambitious project, Perform Content was sold to US sports data specialist STATS to create Stats Perform.

In a roundabout way this merger affected Fantasy managers because ‘Attempted Tackles’ was added to Opta’s event list, and this redefined how some ‘Take Ons’ and ‘Challenges’ were recorded. Sadly it did not mean that hacking had made a comeback.

An ‘Attempted Tackle’ is similar to a ‘Challenge’ – but it’s not a duel event so there’s no corresponding attacking action.

In part two we learned that there’s always a balance of attacking and defensive actions with each ‘Take On’: for each successful ‘Take On’, when a player is dribbled past, the beaten man is logged as having made a ‘Challenge’.

A player unsuccessfully attempts to tackle an opponent, making no contact with the ball as the opponent dribbles past them.

– Opta definition of a ‘Challenge’

An ‘Attempted Tackle’ is when a player has tried to win the ball from a more stationary opponent, not a situation where he has been dribbled past.

Wolverhampton Wanderers vs Manchester City 2019/20
(see video link to Wolves YouTube channel)

Diogo Jota receives a pass in midfield with Kevin De Bruyne bearing down on him (image 1), he turns as De Bruyne attempts to win the ball (image 2), but Jota successfully holds off the Belgian (image 3).

At the time, this was recorded as a ‘Challenge’ from De Bruyne and a successful ‘Take On’ from Jota. But today, because Jota wasn’t attempting to beat De Bruyne, it would simply be logged as an ‘Attempted Tackle’ by De Bruyne.

Jota would not be credited for keeping possession. 

Last season, largely due to this change, there was a nine per cent reduction in the number of successful dribbles. 

On the surface this is no bad thing: the most-successful dribblers are predominantly wingers and centre forwards, who tend to do fairly well in the Bonus Points System.

But the balance of the BPS is affected: players lose a point when they are tackled but gain a point each time they beat an opponent – and for the player tackled, there’s been no change in the way the stats are recorded.

Wilfried Zaha is an example of a winger who doesn’t do particularly well when it comes to bonus points: his successful dribbles are outweighed by the number of times he’s tackled. From 2015/16, no player has been tackled more than Zaha.

Compare Zaha’s 2019/20 season with that of Adama Traoré’s. Both players scored four goals but Traoré picked up 14 bonus points to Zaha’s four. Traoré did supply three more assists than Zaha, which undoubtedly made a difference, but Traoré is also much harder to tackle.

The Wolves winger made 183 successful dribbles and was tackled just 128 times throughout the campaign. Zaha also impressed with 163 successful dribbles, but he was far easier to dispossess, tackled on a whopping 252 occasions.

These totals mean that when it comes to their BPS score, Zaha made a net loss of 89 points whereas Traoré gained 55, a difference of 144. This surely goes some way to explaining why Zaha picked up fewer bonus points.

Another example is Eden Hazard and Mohamed Salah.

Before Traoré, Hazard was the best dribbler in the Premier League.

From 2016/17 to when he left Chelsea, Hazard beat his man 445 times and was tackled on 368 occasions. Over those three seasons he scored 44 goals, supplied 30 assists and picked up 92 bonus points.

Contrast that with Salah, a less effective dribbler, who in his first three years at Liverpool made 159 successful take ons but was dispossessed 333 times.

Despite scoring nearly twice as many goals as Hazard (80 to 44) and getting more assists (34 to 30), he received 22 fewer bonus points.

Minus Points

There’s lots at play in the BPS, as mentioned in parts one and two, but being tackled – because of its frequency – is the single biggest factor that will reduce a player’s likelihood of gaining performance-related marks.

Frequency of Bonus Point Events multiplied by Points
(click on image to enlarge)

Turning a Negative into a Positive

Despite having an impact on the Bonus Points System, the addition of ‘Attempted Tackles’ is definitely a good thing when it comes to accurately capturing the story of the match.

There is a clear difference between dribbling past and beating an opponent, as Traoré does frequently (example 1, example 2, example 3) and the attempted tackle by De Bruyne on Jota. 

In one, the impetus comes from the attacking player, in the other it’s the defensive player.

There’s a sense that an ‘Attempted Tackle’ applies pressure to the man in possession whereas a ‘Challenge’ is more flimsy. A negative becomes a positive, as this action from Raúl Jiménez illustrates.

Wolverhampton Wanderers vs Manchester City 2019/20
(see video link to Wolves YouTube channel)

Originally recorded as a ‘Challenge’ by Jiménez, Riyad Mahrez doesn’t escape the attentions of the Mexican and is forced back (images 1 & 2), clearing the ball out of play (image 3). 

Since 2015/16 one player stands out among the top ten each season for ‘Challenges’ – Danny Ings.

The only centre-forward named in the 60, his appearance in 2019/20 is perhaps a reflection of Ralph Hasenhüttl’s pressing style and certainly contributed to his 22 goals that term. As this strike against Tottenham Hotspur demonstrates.

A successful tackle and a goal, how many of his 54 challenges came close to replicating that outcome? It’s likely that some would now be recorded as ‘Attempted Tackles’.

Hard to Pin Down

In their efforts to document a game of football, Opta have defined 68 events and created 327 qualifiers to describe those events. A list that is reviewed at least once a season.

But football can be a difficult game to detail precisely, not every action fits neatly into a definition. 

Kyle Walker’s effort to tackle Jonny sits between two or three event types.

Wolverhampton Wanderers vs Manchester City 2019/20
(see video link to Wolves YouTube channel)

It was logged as a ‘Challenge’ but, while Walker fails to dispossess Jonny, he does get a foot on the ball, so it could have gone down as a ‘Tackle’. Although a tackle also requires the tackler to “successfully take the ball away from the player in possession”, which he doesn’t.

And it wouldn’t be an ‘Attempted Tackle’ because Jonny is clearly trying to beat Walker – and ultimately his ‘Take On’ succeeds.

Two into one won’t go

Crucially, an event can’t be two things. 

Opta data collectors occasionally have to make a decision about which category an event falls into. Is this an interception or an attempted pass by Fernandinho?

Wolverhampton Wanderers vs Manchester City 2019/20
(see video link to Wolves YouTube channel)

The loggers take into account the action of the player, the pressure he is under, and the time he has. The above example went down as a failed pass, rather than an interception, but other similar instances were recorded as interceptions or clearances.

Moments later in the same match, this action was entered as an interception by Fernandinho: he has to react quickly and it’s a definite movement to stop the pass reaching its target. Even though, at the same time, he lays the ball off to a team-mate.

Likewise Eric Garcia simultaneously clears Neto’s cross and directs the ball to Gündogan. This was recorded as a clearance rather than a pass.

Arguably, the difference with the first example is that Fernandinho has more time to consider playing the ball to Benjamin Mendy. But isn’t his action both an interception and a pass?

In a way, Fernandinho is too good. Had his positioning been worse, he may have needed to stretch to intercept the ball or take two touches instead of one. As Leander Dendoncker did when intercepting this attempted through ball from De Bruyne.

So do the stats accurately reflect Fernandinho’s qualities as a footballer? 

Since Pep Guardiola took charge of Manchester City not one of their players features among the top ten each season for ‘Tackles’, ‘Clearances’ or ‘Blocks’. In 2016/17 Nicolás Otamendi made the top ten for ‘Interceptions’, the only time a Man City player has been included during the Catalan’s five years at the helm.

So despite defensive midfielders featuring more frequently in ‘Interceptions’ than any other position, Fernandinho doesn’t make the list once. 

Although he was among the top ten players for ‘Challenges’ in Guardiola’s first season, suggesting he was either applying pressure to opponents or just not very good at tackling. The Brazilian has a different style to positional peer N’Golo Kanté, whose bustling approach sees him do well in several defensive categories. 

If we have the ball, they can’t score.

– Johan Cruyff 

Fernandinho’s best metrics reflect the team’s philosophy.

He was among the top three passers for two successive seasons, and in 2017/18 only three players were credited with more ‘Second Assists’: a pass that is instrumental in creating a goal-scoring opportunity. As mentioned in part one, these used to earn assist points in FPL. 

With the way on-ball statistics are recorded, positional astuteness is hard to measure, especially in sides that favour possession.

Unseen Skills

Occasionally, the numbers don’t tell the full story.

Bruno Fernandes was key to Mason Greenwood’s goal against Burnley, letting the ball run between his legs. The Portuguese was deserving of an assist but, on this occasion, the fact he didn’t touch the ball meant he went unnoticed in the stats.

Similarly, a great run from Vinny Samways opened up space for Gary Lineker to score against Arsenal in the 1991 FA Cup semi-final. This might be a rather old example and, admittedly, a match feed XML of the game doesn’t exist, but it did spawn a memorable piece of commentary from the eloquent Barry Davies:

Nayim to the left, Samways ahead. And Lineker uses him by not using him – good try, he’s scored!

Tottenham Hotspur vs Arsenal, FA Cup semi-final, 1990/91
(see video link to the FA Cup YouTube channel)

Unselfish off-the-ball runs, pulling defenders out of position, are invisible to Opta.

From Firmino’s clever movement to create space for Salah or Harry Kane attracting two defenders to make room for Son Heung-min to run in behind, numerous players have had comparable contributions overlooked by the statisticians.

Little moments of skill can also be missed. Bernardo Silva shows good awareness to evade the onrushing Romain Saiss: a quick look over his shoulder before receiving the ball, followed by a sharp turn. But the only events noted are the pass to Silva and the pass he plays to Fernandinho.

Wolverhampton Wanderers vs Manchester City 2019/20
(see video link to Wolves YouTube channel)

Perhaps the question to consider is: what do we want to measure from this action – Silva’s ability to avoid pressure? To retain possession? To progress the ball? And would measuring this action help tell a better story?

Like Jota holding off De Bruyne, it’s not really a ‘Take On’, he’s simply evading a challenge rather than trying to beat his man. Arguably both Silva and Jota are just doing their jobs and is that really noteworthy?

If I have to make a tackle then I have already made a mistake.

– Paolo Maldini

Wolverhampton Wanderers vs Manchester City 2019/20
(see video link to Wolves YouTube channel)

In the next example, Conor Coady does his job defensively when holding off Raheem Sterling. He stayed on his feet and used his body to stop the winger going around him. But he receives no credit for this in the stats. The action is recorded as an ‘Overrun’ by Sterling: a failed dribble that isn’t a duel event.

The irony is that if Coady had been worse at his job he might have been forced to make a sliding tackle, and for this he would have gained credit.

It makes you wonder if the defensive nous of five-times Champions League winner Paolo Maldini would have been largely ignored by on-ball events.

If we want to reward undervalued players in the FPL, we first have to be able to measure their contribution. 

But there are new metrics that can highlight their worth.

Chain Reaction

In order to tell a more detailed story of what is happening on the pitch, Opta’s possessions model strings together the discrete events from the match feed XML into sequences.

On a player level, this adds context to recoveries, tackles, and interceptions by looking at what happened at the end of a passage of play.

For instance, Declan Rice is very good at winning the ball and starting a possession sequence that ends in a shot. Perhaps this is something, like creating a chance, that could be rewarded in the Bonus Points System?

Opta-cle Illusion 

The aim of this article has been to help you understand, in detail, how Opta sees a match and how that affects FPL.

Perhaps an interesting philosophical question to ponder is – does the way Opta sees a match influence our reading of the game?

The way we talk about football, especially us FPL managers, is filtered through the metrics they produce. We’ve become football cyborgs: our human intuition supplemented by an array of statistical objectivity.

Do we value players because of the way Opta chronicles a match? And is that compounded because of the stats that FPL has chosen to use?

Maybe. Although the headline events of goals, assists, and clean sheets don’t require much interpretation and give you the most points in FPL.

However, make no mistake, stats can be detrimental to the game.

Do I not like that

Charles Reep, the pioneer of football analytics mentioned at the start of this article, went way beyond the Observer Effect with his meticulous note taking.

Reep discovered that most goals come from moves of three passes or fewer. Therefore, he logically concluded that if you want to score more goals, you shouldn’t pass the ball more than three times. Long-ball tactics were born.

But he didn’t question how he could be wrong. He confused correlation with causation and fell prey to confirmation bias: our tendency to search for or interpret information in a way that confirms our existing views or expectations.

… almost everything in soccer involves three passes or fewer, including moves that don’t lead to goals. And if you look at Reep’s own numbers, they show that if you tried a move of three or fewer passes you are actually less likely to score a goal than if you tried more passes. So the secret to scoring more goals was actually the complete opposite of what Reep thought it was.

– Neil Paine, How One Man’s Bad Math Helped Ruin Decades Of English Soccer

Nonetheless, his ideas permeated the upper echelons of the national sport, influencing the likes of England manager Graham Taylor. The FA even produced and distributed a coaching handbook based upon his theories entitled “The Winning Formula: Soccer Skills and Tactics”. 

So a man who could have been football’s Bill James is now, sadly, derided by most.

But popular American sports (and cricket) lend themselves more readily to stats. And Reep grasped the unpredictable nature of association football:

The result of the match does not in any way indicate the true merit of the teams concerned. The act of scoring goals is very largely a matter of chance.

– Charles Reep

If he were alive today he probably would have embraced expected goals. 

The idea of combining different sources of information into one has always appealed, and we’ve come a long way from the days when Opta was a mere marketing tool, producing an index to rank players.

You will always need people to work with the data – to interpret meaning [and] communicate findings.

– Matthieu Lille-Palette, Senior Vice President of Opta

Not only is it important to understand how stats are coded but also what they tell us.

On a basic level, is a player with a high pass completion percentage a really good player or someone who never takes any risks?

The job of writers and video content producers, and perhaps the secret to being a good Fantasy manager, is to sort the wheat from the chaff.

Combine our external knowledge with the numbers, find the opportunities, recognise the significant moments – be that a formation change, a positional switch or a player hitting form. And yes, form is real and not, as Nobel Prize winner Daniel Kahneman asserted, “a cognitive illusion” – just ask Joshua Miller.

There’s more

The final part of this series will look at the trends of recent seasons, learn why goalkeepers do so well in the BPS for recoveries, and take a look to the future and how tracking data is revolutionising analytics.

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242 Comments Post a Comment
  1. SuperG
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    I’ve looked at all the stats from the euros, including tackles and interceptions, and plugged the data into the opts formula. The machine spit out the following conclusion: it’s coming home

  2. SAUCY SALAH
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    A or B guys?

    A) Trent | Raphinha | Toney | Sarr (6.0 mid) | 4.0 def (bench) - 3-5-2

    B) Coufal | Son | Pukki | Targett | 4.5 mid (bench) - 4-4-2

    Thanks!

    1. Emiliano Sala
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      B

      1. SAUCY SALAH
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Cheers!

  3. schlupptheweek
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Mane is a very overlooked option despite being 12m and not on penalties. Towards the end of last season he looked like getting back to his old self and has been able to match Salah in some seasons. Salah is a great asset and I can 100% see why everyone is getting him and captaining over Mane, but Mane is one of the players with a high ceiling for very low ownership, so offers very good opportunities for the chancers who want ot bet against Salah and save 0.5M.
    From a pure statistical point of view this idea makes no sense so feel free to rip this idea apart.

    1. OverTinker
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Mane should have been 11 (for not on penalties alone)

    2. Utopsis
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      There's no value in taking the risk - 0.5 won't let you invest significantly elsewhere and Salah is the best FPL asset ever due to his unrelenting selfishness.

  4. Emiliano Sala
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    If england goes to final most of their players will miss gw1 at least I guess
    Wow
    That changes so many things.
    Shaw to Dias?

    1. SAUCY SALAH
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Is it feasible to suggest they could delay the start of the prem in that case?

      Especially how many players/clubs that will affect

      1. Ginkapo FPL
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        They didnt for the world cup which affected far more players. Only Emmerson involved from Italy.

        1. SAUCY SALAH
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Ok

      2. Emiliano Sala
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Not possible I think

    2. Emiliano Sala
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Sorry my mistake calculating. Ignore this

      1. SAUCY SALAH
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Cresswell probably best placeholder

        1. Emiliano Sala
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Not gonna happen imo. James in that case

    3. im1974
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Dream on. Sky care about FPL not England

  5. Riska
    • 13 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Sanchez/ Dubravka
    TAA, AWB, Digne, Coufal, Targett
    Salah, Bruno, Raph, Harrison, 4.5
    DCL, Watkins, João Pedro

    Currently on this but not feeling 100%. Unsure on DCL starting GW1 but not massively keen on punting both Toney and Pedro. Not wild on the other options around that price point, and don't want to triple Utd with Cavani. I'll probably drop Dubravka for Ward if he moves.

    Would love thoughts 🙂

    1. SAUCY SALAH
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Will Pedro be first choice?

      I would go one 4.0 keeper and maybe lose some money in defense to upgrade Harrison to a Grealish or something

      1. Riska
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        I believe the manager has backed Pedro a few times in the press, just extended his contract and has a pretty solid scoring record. For his price I'd rather punt him than Toney.

        I do agree on the 4.0 keeper but I think Dubravka is a bit underpriced for his save potential. Newcastle have a lot of shots fired at them and he's been MoM more than is reasonable by keeping them in the game.

        Grealish same problem as DCL, unsure he'll start GW1. You say upgrade but Harrison has more minutes, more goals and more points for a full 2M less. I see very little downside to Harrison.

    2. LegendMoon
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      I really like this apart from Joao pedro

      1. Andy_Social
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        J Pedro enables the rest - it's a fine squad imo.

    3. im1974
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Like Dubravka pick. I have Bachman with him. Feel Brighton is this years trap

      1. R.C.
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Why Bachmann?

        1. im1974
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 4 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Ok opening fixtures for Watford. Don’t like Brighton so by default, as much as anything, it’s him & Dubravka.

  6. Bumbaclot
    • 14 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    A. Tierney and coufal

    Or

    B. Digne and fofana

    Thanks guys

    1. Christina.
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Targett and coufal, or even Keane. Gross also. great value.

      1. Bumbaclot
        • 14 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Isn’t gross a mid?

        1. Christina.
          • 14 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Meant Dunk

  7. Christina.
    • 14 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    At this stage its a matter of am I going with Vvd or a 5m def.

    1. Emiliano Sala
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      VVD
      Robbo if you can

  8. Emiliano Sala
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Liverpool fixtures are magical
    They have good fixtures till end of the season and it never gets tough

  9. SweepaKeepa
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    7 July First PL Pre season game
    11 July Euro and Copa America Finals
    7 August Olympic Final
    13 August PL kick off

    What’s a good rule of thumb for who will be back when?
    From last competitive game add two weeks rest, plus two weeks pre season training?
    Any precedent data out there?

  10. Wensink
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    58 points needed for #1 OR in Fantasy Euros.

    A. The dream is dead?
    B. The dream is dead.

  11. Dynamic Duos
    • 11 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Any draft leagues?

  12. EmreCan Hustle
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Early draft for FPL.

    Sanchez - 4.0
    TAA - AWB - Coufal - Fofana - 4.0
    Salah - Bruno - Sigurdsson - Buendia - 4.5
    Wilson - Antonio - Watkins

    Nothing in the bank.

    AWB might become Shaw.
    Bruno might become KDB in GW 2.
    No Kane.

    Thoughts?

    1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Yeah looks good - Wilson & Antonio when fit and rested are ridiculously good FPL assets so the start of the season is probably the time to get them allright before the inevitable injuries (and FTs kick in)

      Salah, Bruno, TAA kind of pick themselves

      Siggy is someone I’m keeping an eye on - if Jrod leaves he’s bound to be worth a punt, possibly instead of DCL

      1. EmreCan Hustle
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Cheers.
        Yeah Antonio and Wilson are there until we find out who the best forwards are in those price brackets.

        I remember Ayoze Perez doing well under Rafa, so I feel Siggy could nail down that false 9 role and excel.

    2. Coys96
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Shaw over AWB
      Thomas could be best Leicester defender
      Not sure about Siggy but like the rest

      1. EmreCan Hustle
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Cheers.

        Shaw could get an extended rest. AWB is sure to start.
        I hadn't really considered Thomas, interesting option.
        Siggy is a gamble. Wanted an Everton player for those early fixtures.

    3. Stamford B
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Sigurdson I would ditch, he’s one useless son of a b

      1. EmreCan Hustle
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Lol, he has been frustrating, but I do think he has potential. But eventually I'll settle for a Leeds mid.

        1. Stamford B
          • 3 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          He won’t be on penalties when Rafa arrives. Mainly due to him missing a shed load. He’s rubbish at free kicks so that’ll go too. I wouldn’t touch any Everton mids myself

          1. EmreCan Hustle
            • 12 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            Cheers. That's good insight.
            I only have him because players like Mata, Ayoze Perez, etc...who play behind the striker have done well under Rafa in the past.

  13. Jarnathan
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Any 4.0 defenders revealing themselves yet?

    1. Yes Ndidi
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      All will become clear. I'm still hopeful Williams will get his move, but as Southampton have just signed a LB from France, it could be that Norwich could be his only option, and thats hardly likely to bear much fruit.

      1. GREEN IS GOOD
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Any playing 4.0 defender is desirable tho?

    2. Stamford B
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      You won’t know the answer to that until a week before the season starts I’m afraid.

    3. 824545201
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Omobamidele is the only chance if Norwich go with 3 at the back.

  14. Karan14
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Donna (Stek)
    Maehle Maguire Shaw Stones (Kimpembe)
    Insigne Sterling Dams (Berardi Sarabia)
    Immobile Morata Kane

    Have 2 more free transfers.
    Which two players would you add here?

    Berardi & Sarabia ➡️ Olmo & Chiesa?
    Or would you get another defender or gk for Stek/Kimpembe?

    1. EmreCan Hustle
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      I would get one of Olmo or Chiesa in place of Berardi if they start.
      Sarabia is worth keeping since Spanish players tend to score off the bench.
      I would use the second transfer on a defender. At this stage the games could be tight and CS more likely.

      1. Karan14
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Apparently Sarabia is injured and going for a MRI scan.

        Which defender would you get?
        Walker? Or a Spanish/Italian def?

        1. EmreCan Hustle
          • 12 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Oh I didn't know that about Sarabia. Damn one more transfer for me.
          Bonucci or Alba? Or if Florenzi starts he could be a handy differential.

          1. jayzico
            • 13 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            Bonnuci. Neither Spain nor England will score against the Italians. Euro winners 2021.

          2. Karan14
            • 8 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            I'm tempted by Bonucci. Has some goal threat. Don't trust the Spanish def also.

  15. 1justlookin
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Anyone else considering going without TAA, hard to justifybrhe extra 2.0 million over Digne/Shaw.

    1. Stamford B
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      I doubt Shaw will start the season

    2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Starting with TAA can’t really ruin your season, but starting without him actually could

      There’s absolutely zero guarantees he smashes, but with his ownership, his pedigree, those fixtures, and that form from the tail end of the season (without VVD) plus VVD’s return…

      All you’d need is him to do a Leicester versus Norwich, Burnley or pAlace in the first 5 weeks and you’ll likely be trying to claw back the damage for weeks, if not months

      I still shudder when I remember the “why I’m going without TAA” hot topics from some of the pro pundits just before Liverpool departed for the club-world-whatever-it-was 2 years ago

    3. Holmes
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      You can roll with all 3 and forget about the defense.

      1. Andy_Social
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        You can, providing Kane doesn't move to City!

      2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 14 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Yup, you can have all 3, and still have Bruno, Salah, Raphinha, Buendia, DCL, Watkins, Toney and a 4.5 defender on the bench easily (with 0.5 still ITB even if you go for a 4.0 def 5th sub, and a 4.0/4.5 GK pair

        All seems very affordable so far…

        Until Kane goes to City as Andy rightly says below

        That will create problems

  16. 1justlookin
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    No love for amy CHE defenders on here?

    1. OLB
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Plenty - gameweek 7 onward. Too tough a start.

    2. Holmes
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      From GW7

    3. Andy_Social
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      I'm have to many reservations about rotation. Christensen is having a good Euro - will her muscle his way in? Will Chilwell and James start the season if England get to the final?

    4. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Which ones?

      James/Azpi/Alonso/Chilwell/Zouma/Christensen/Thiago/Rudiger?

      Tuchel will have a rotation field day he’ll be as bad as Pep’s 4 centrebacks and 4 fullbacks merry go round

    5. Zimo
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Seeing as Tuchel might rotate again it's perfect that their schedule is horrible till GW7. We can safely watch who plays most and who doesn't.

  17. Stamford B
    • 3 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    55 years of hurt? If you're only dipping in for four weeks every two years, in reality, that's about 110 weeks.

    This means, to equal Evertonians 26 years of misery, England fans would need to roughly endure a further 660 years of hurt.

    1. bitm2007
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      The hurts far more than just the finals. There have been the qualifying campaign failures and successes that have got the nations hopes up as well.

  18. Lovren an elevator
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Leeds fans....
    Is Junior Firpo likely to be nailed long term?

    1. R.C.
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Yep

  19. jayzico
    • 13 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Why are people going for Harrison? I thought he was on loan to Leeds from citeh.

    Surely he won't get into the citeh lineup. Regardless of top scoring mid?

    Sorry. Very confused.

    1. Holmes
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Expected to join Leeds soon

    2. Andy_Social
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      He's already completed his permanent transfer to Leeds.

    3. OLB
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Transfer went through 2 days ago. He's Leeds player now.

    4. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Harrison is a Leeds owned player

    5. jayzico
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Cheers chaps.That's what I thought.

  20. DannyDrinkVodka
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Insigne best captain choice for Tuesday?

    1. Gingerman
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      A better punt than most, just make sure you got Harry for back up.

  21. Wensink
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Any news on Sarabia's fitness for Tuesday?

    1. Flaming Flamingo
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      No, but I'd be very surprised if he featured

      1. Wensink
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Thanks. Curious to know how many are still playing Fantasy Euros or if they've given up the silly game.

        If you are still playing, what's your current OR? Somehow through dumb luck I'm sitting 6803.

        1. Flaming Flamingo
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Nice! I'm at 807. A mix of luck and added motivation, since I had been on a bit of a fantasy football hiatus before the Euros. I'm looking forward to getting back into FPL though 🙂

          1. Wensink
            • 7 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            Bravo! I think there might be 6805 active managers left.

            1. Flaming Flamingo
              • 8 Years
              3 years, 5 months ago

              I think you are doing yourself a disservice! There's nearly as many players as FPL, so 6.8k is super solid.

              1. Wensink
                • 7 Years
                3 years, 5 months ago

                You're too kind. You know it's dumb luck when a 4.5m MF enabler (Holes) gets one 11 points.

                1. RogDog_jimmy
                  • 4 Years
                  3 years, 5 months ago

                  Yeah 6.8k is awesome! So is 807 for sure!
                  I’m active and down at 83k.
                  Been having fun and not taking it seriously.

                  If Sarabia is out I’ll be moving him to Insigne - currently have no Italian midfield so hoping to get Insigne and Chiesa.
                  Already have Sterling, Damsgaard and Torres.

                  Seems like the 5 frees this week makes it pretty easy to navigate it all.

  22. Stamford B
    • 3 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    That Doku was good wasn’t he? I’d like to see him in the prem. Like Traore without the baby oil.

  23. My heart goes Salalalalah
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Too early for FPL draft probably as there are too many unansweres questions. But how is this for a start?

    Sanchez
    TAA (Digne/Cresswell?) Dias Targett
    Salah Bruno Raph
    DCL Watkins Toney
    Steele Fofana Dallas Gilmour

    1. Stamford B
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      The balance isn’t great. I’d shift some from defence into attack or go with an extra mid.

    2. Christina.
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      lyk cool. net nie seker of TAA dit werd is nie.

      1. My heart goes Salalalalah
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Wens net vir 'n begin soos joune! Ek was week 10 nog ver oor 3m. As Kane City toe gaan sal ek skuiwe maak. TAA kan enigiemand word gelukkig...

      2. My heart goes Salalalalah
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Dink dis elk geval te vroeg. Soek City en Chelsea ook, miskien Son. Wie is beste pick van Chelsea? Mount, Kai, Werner? Bang vir defence

    3. Andy_Social
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      No problem going big on defence. Only no-no is Dallas.

      1. My heart goes Salalalalah
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Dont you think at 5.5m he is good value? Even as a mid...

        1. Andy_Social
          • 12 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          I don't. He'll be this season's Lord Lundstram (albeit playing better in a better team). He might even have to move back into FB. There's a recent article on him here.

          1. My heart goes Salalalalah
            • 7 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            Aaah missed it. Thanks for the info mate!

        2. SAUCY SALAH
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          I think he might be still…same number of goals last season as Harrison for 0.5 less and he also started the season playing in defense.

          His importance in the team grew throughout the season I think

          1. Andy_Social
            • 12 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            There's no doubting his importance to the team and Bielsa, but if he's back in defence getting a midfielder's points, that will hurt. Pre-season might change my assumption, to be fair.

            1. SAUCY SALAH
              • 8 Years
              3 years, 5 months ago

              Why would he go back in defense? Because Alioski is going?

  24. Dogs Of War
    • 3 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Premier League top three this season and most essential player from each of the three?

    1. Stamford B
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Man City De Bruyne
      Chelsea Werner
      Liverpool Salah

      1. Moxon
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Salah, Bruno, KDB.

    2. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Kane
      Havertz
      Salah

    3. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Planning to only dabble in Man City & Chelsea when injuries clearly signpost who is getting an extended period of starts

      There’s just too much rotation when they’re all fit, these players are no good when you don’t know when they’ll play

      Havertz is starting to get plenty of mentions for example - but he only started 18 games last year… started 2 of their last 6, 4 of their last 9, 6 of their last 12… I don’t see him as nailed now just because he scored in CL final or anywhere near it

      Foden, Mahrez, Torres, Sterling, Jesus will likely all be the same at city when all are fit

      Bruno and Salah are just too settled to avoid, penalties are the icing on the cakes

      1. Andy_Social
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        I think Dias is safe. Stones and Laporte will have to duke it out. If Chelsea don't bring in a star striker, I'd be confident in Havertz being close-to nailed.

        1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
          • 14 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Dunno mate, Pep with 4 fit centrebacks will be a nightmare, and Dias also more expensive than last year too

          If Tuchel had played Havertz more while Chelsea were fighting to get into the top 4 it’d look better for him, but he actually only started in 7 of tuchel’s 19 league games!

          1. Andy_Social
            • 12 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            I take your point about Havertz, but regarding City's defence, I can see them being all-but impenetrable this season, so even if Dias sits out one game in 5, he'll still be value.

            1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 5 months ago

              I think Dias needs a lot of attacking returns to really be value

              Even with 17 clean sheets plus a goal and assist last season - he got 140 points…

              If he improved on that and got 20 cleansheets (which is a mental amount of cleansheets and arguably the absolute ceiling for an individual player) he pops up towards 150-155 points… if he gets 15-17 cleansheets (which is phenomenal) he stays at around 140-ish…

              When you think of what’s available at 5.5, 5.0 and 4.5 this year…

              I just don’t see it in Dias this time around tbh

              All ifs & buts though, it’s a funny old game

              1. Andy_Social
                • 12 Years
                3 years, 5 months ago

                So do you think Digne would be better as a set-n-forget? (I have TAA and Shaw)

                1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                  • 14 Years
                  3 years, 5 months ago

                  Ah jeez no I wouldn’t put you off him - he’ll go and score a goal in a 1-0 win away to Spurs in GW1 if you have a gut feel but end up avoiding him lol that’s the way FPL works!

                  Just explaining why I wouldn’t go there myself, who knows maybe he will get even better, and add a few goals, he is always up for corners after all

    4. Andy_Social
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Are you asking about real life or FPL? Two quite different realities.

    5. diesel001
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Top Four:

      Man City - KDB
      Liverpool - Salah
      Chelsea - Chilwell
      Man Utd - Fernandes

  25. hnmfm
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    How’s my first draft looking? might downgrade lampety and fofana if a couple 4.0 defenders emerge and upgrade Steele to a gk that rotates well with Sanchez

    Sanchez
    TAA Shaw Cresswell
    Salah Bruno Raph Buendia
    Watkins DCL Toney

    Steele Fofana Lampety Gilmour

    1. Andy_Social
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      It's basically the template. There are no 4m defenders, so stick with that

  26. Stranger Mings
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Guys how does the pricing work on euro fantasy- just wondered if you know your transfers is it worth going early if all of the prices go up ea h day?

  27. R.C.
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Aaron Cresswell.

    1. Age: 31 years. Will this be an issue?
    2. His best PL performance was last year: Can he replicate the same this year?
    3. Masuaku in starting XI: Does this have a negative effect on his output?
    4. Cresswell not selected for Euro squad: Why was this the case?

    1. Andy_Social
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      I don't see any issues myself. There's always an easy FT to Coufal if any questions were to arise.

    2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      He got 11 assists from 7 XA last season, so I wouldn’t expect him to do that again

      West Ham have european distractions and a thin squad so may not be able to keep as many clean sheets

      But he does have set pieces (hence his 7.4 XA) and Mouyes does have West Ham well drilled

      Overall he’s definitely got merits, but I think he’ll do well to match his previous season all things considered

  28. Carlton P
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    How is she looking? I’m liking 4-4-2 with lamptey/ayling rotating
    .5 ITB
    Sanchez l 4.0
    TAA l Robbo l Shaw l Lamptey l Ayling
    Salah l Bruno l Raphina l Barnes l Bissouma
    Antonio l Watkins l 4.5

    1. Bobby Digital
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Like it

  29. Bobby Digital
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Dias or Digne?

    1. Moxon
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Digne for me. Always choose a wingback if I can.

    2. Andy_Social
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Ha ha - see above!

    3. Carlton P
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Digne for me. Dias as a set and forget though

  30. Carlton P
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    DCL likely to get on pens?

    1. Stamford B
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      I think so

      1. Stamford B
        • 3 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Here’s a quote from Danny Murphy on Rafas first pre season at Liverpool.

        "His tactical messages were concise and decided without discussion who would be on free-kicks and penalties, even in pre-season friendlies. I protested that I’d been taking them the previous season, ‘not any more’ was the message back.

        Sigurdson’s record on penalties is poor, same with free kicks. I seriously doubt he’ll be on either.

        1. Carlton P
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Appreciate that, cheers